Episode 448: Mind Games : Manipulating AI with Roland & Ryan

Dive into the world of AI-generated conversations on this intriguing episode of the Business Lunch Podcast. Hosts Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss take a unique approach as they engage in a thought-provoking dialogue entirely crafted by AI.

Tune in to explore the diverse perspectives on AI’s impact on privacy, job loss, technological advancement, and more. Uncover the unexpected twists and turns as Roland and Ryan explore the pros and cons of AI, shedding light on how this technology could shape the future of businesses and beyond. 

Don’t miss this captivating episode as they push the boundaries of podcasting innovation and explore the potential of AI-generated content. 

Join the conversation and gain new insights into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence on this special edition of Business Lunch with Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss.


“Yeah, and I think, what is the the greater implication aside from screwing with your friends? What is the greater implication for entrepreneurs, CEOs who want to leverage AI in their business?”

“And it created a script out of each of the questions. And then we add chat GPT, separate all of the Ryan dialogue from all of the Roland dialogue.”

“So when you hear me and Ryan talking, most people would not know that it wasn’t us, except people that really knew us.”


  • 00:00: Introduction
  • 01:16: Upsell
  • 04:01: Debates
  • 07:00: Podcast Producers
  • 11:34: Scaling The Company
  • 14:24: Message Vs. Messenger
  • 17:04: AI Generated Characters 
  • 20:28: Virtual Vs Real
  • 23:23: Army Of Influencers
  • 25:36: Virtual Relationships 


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