Episode 540: The Ethics of Outsourcing Yourself

Welcome to a new episode of Business Lunch! In this episode, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss tackle the controversial topic of ‘shadow standards’ in the workplace. They explore the ethics and implications of employees outsourcing their own jobs to other workers, often in other countries, without their employers’ knowledge. The discussion touches on the legal, ethical, and practical ramifications of this growing trend and offers insights into how both employees and employers can navigate this complex landscape.


“Employees are outsourcing their jobs, effectively becoming mini-agencies themselves.”

“Is it deceptive if you wouldn’t proudly announce what you’re doing?”

“Good employers will always support efficiency and innovative ideas.”

“Outsourcing your job without transparency is setting yourself up for liability.”


  • 00:00 – Introduction 
  • 01:12 – The Great Resignation and Quiet Quitting
  • 02:49 – Ethical Dilemma: Outsourcing Personal Jobs
  • 05:30 – Employer Perspective on Shadow Standards
  • 08:49 – Legal and Security Implications
  • 12:19 – Hypocrisy and Exploitation in Shadow Work
  • 14:41 – Building a Team Ethically and Transparently
  • 18:35 – Crucial Policies and Handbook Updates
  • 20:31 – Encouraging Transparent Efficiency
  • 23:02 – The Problem with Shadow Work
  • 24:37 – The Value of High-Level Employees
  • 30:55 – Conclusion and Takeaways

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